I need advice *sigh*, yet again.

Khaak_Hammer · Post by **Khaak_Hammer** » Wed, 20. Sep 06, 23:55

Cycrow wrote:but what makes you think your better than everyone else?

erm pardon?

What are you talking about?

everyone else??

you've lost me.

Ammok Rules · Post by **Ammok Rules** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 14:20

My machine struggles with 87 fabs never mind thousands, and did i not mention no scripting stations or cash.

You gotta beat 87. Of course there is a small possiblity that i may add stations myself, probably not to this one as its in Elanas Fortune and its pretty busy in there, like a couple of frames per minute.

I've been told if you build 30km above the epelectic plane it does not affect framerate.

Star_Raider15 · Post by **Star_Raider15** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 15:04

im in hour 18 with 5 mil and a few TS ships that will soon become UTs
so my goal in day 2 is to buil a small space fuel complex of 3 dists and 3 wheat farms

Augustini · Post by **Augustini** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 15:11

My biggest complex consisted of these:
2 x AIRE
2 x BIRE
2 x APAC
2 x BPAC
2 x AHEPT
2 x BHEPT
2 x APBE
2 x BPBE
2 x APSG
2 x BPSG
2 x GPSG
2 x APPC
2 x BPPC
2 x GPPC
2 x 1mj shield
2 x 5mj shield
2 x 25mj shield
2 x 125mj shield
2 x 1gj shield
2 x 10gj shield
2 x SSP XL

I can't remember how many food and intermediate factories i used for this, I would need to dig up the complex calculator for that one, but the only things i bought from the outside world was Ore and Crystals, both produced at a dedicated complex 2 sectors away... selfsustaining with everything else

Made me a ton of money !!!

But it comes with a price tag and it aint cheap.........

On the really big downside.... the framerate dropped to 1 frame every 3-5 seconds... and weird things where happening to my screen, like sectors vanishing from the sector map, so although i was planning on using the sector as my main base of operations, i ended up never travelling to the sector again!

Btw no scripting was involved in the creation of the complex, i merely sat in my Perseus while my 2 Mammoths scoured the universe for shipyards to buy from !

AleksMain · Post by **AleksMain** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 16:05

Augustini wrote:My biggest complex consisted of these:
....

I can understand you. This is the main cause for me of uncomleted complexes in Elenas' Fortune Sectore.
1-2 complexes per sectore with 10 weapon factories per complex, but without any suply ship-my favorite strategy.

Khaak_Hammer · Post by **Khaak_Hammer** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 16:25

How is your FPS rate in those sectors?

Diesel309 · Post by **Diesel309** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 16:51

My biggest was in Elena's Fortune in my last game it was a SpaceFuel Complex.

5 SPP XL
9 Silicon Mines L (1x64 yeild and 8x26 yeild)
10 Cahoona Bakeries L
10 Cattle Ranch L
25 Crystal Fabs
25 Wheat farms L
25 Space fuel L

It took forever to haul the rocks and build.

Framerate was not good but it does help if its well above the plane of the ecliptic.

I would not do it again unless I was using XL/XXL mod to reduce the number of stations needed.

Star_Raider15 · Post by **Star_Raider15** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 17:23

lol when i built space fuel depos i didnt bother building the energy complex
it was toooooo expensive
instead i concentrated on making a good means to supply em
my biggest complex of 18 dists had only 2 TS ships to supply all of its needs

szuur · Post by **szuur** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 18:19

atm i am building in mines of fortune, used merroc's caluclator to plan it.
it will consist of every roid in the sector and fac's to make something out of it all
, pulling every of the 60 ore and 26 silicon mines are a bitch do, i want everything lined up neatly
26 Silicon Mine L pieces with an avergae yield of: 24.88
60 Ore Mine L pieces with an average yield of: 17.7
13 Solar Power Plant XL
66 Crystal Fab M
43 Cahoona Bakery L
1 Cahoona Bakery M
43 Cattle Ranch L
1 Cattle Ranch M
8 Soyfarm L
8 Soyery L
35 Gamma PPC Forge
3 Beta PPC Forge
3 Alpha PPC Forge
5 Bio Gas Factory L
5 BoFu Chemical Lab L
5 Gamma PSG Forge
2 Beta PSG Forge
2 Alpha PSG Forge
12 Firestorm Torpedo Factory
5 Hornet Missile Factory
2 Tempest Missile Factory
2 Silkworm Missile Factory
1 Wasp Missile Factory
1 Mosquito Missile Factory
11 Beta Flak Artillery Forge
3 Alpha Flak Artillery Forge
8 Beta HEPT Forge
3 Alpha HEPT Forge
1 Shield Prod. Facility 10GJ
20 Shield Prod. Facility 1GJ
6 Shield Prod. Facility 125 MJ
3 Shield Prod. Facility 25 MJ
10 Shield Prod. Facility 5 MJ
10 Shield Prod. Facility 1 MJ
4 SQUASH Mine Factory

429 stations total, money won't be a proble,m cus i alrdy got 2 neat complexes running my 57 fac weed complex (L's and 3 solor plants XL crystals are imported) and my 81 hatikva's faith complex producting missiles and sellable stuff.
towing the riods is realy an pain in the ass.

edit ill post links when i get back home of my so far tugged mines ill post screeny's for dope and hatik'vas faith also

Ammok Rules · Post by **Ammok Rules** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 19:14

Thats a nice complex plan szuur, you should pop over to the German forum and see how they stack their complexes of that size, really neat.

R.Styles · Post by **R.Styles** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 19:28

has anyone got any pictures of these crazyly huge complexes?

Khaak_Hammer · Post by **Khaak_Hammer** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 19:31

I think there was a topic on the german habit of massively HUGE complexs
and a screen shoy of a cross between a complex and a spider web spun by a drunken spider.

its the germans that build these 2000+ size complexs check there foums.

Ammok Rules · Post by **Ammok Rules** » Thu, 21. Sep 06, 19:40

There are pics of them scattered about,

http://forum2.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=131953

if you can read German then the topic might give a clue where they are.

Exekutor · Post by **Exekutor** » Fri, 22. Sep 06, 11:34

Could someone tell me what silicon yield I need for one Crystal Fab (and a high-tech fab?) to run smoothly? I know the energy consumption of Fabs and the production and stuff like that, but havnt found one post or guide which answers my question.

Ammok Rules · Post by **Ammok Rules** » Fri, 22. Sep 06, 15:12

well, it has been posted somewhere before cos i've been in the thread, but where??

This is my take on it.

Yeild of 25 give a cycle time of 90 seconds and a large silicon mine will give 5 silicone per cycle. Now your crystal fab has a cycle of eight minutes, so you need to produce enough silicone in eight minutes to keep it going. See this
480 divided by 90 is about five and 5 silicon each cycle is 25 silicon for every crystal cycle.

If a crysatal fab needs 10 silicon per cycle then one 25 yeild roid will feed two and a half crystal fabs. See this

Hope that makes sense, obviously higher yield roids will give more per cycle time and lower will produce less as in the cycle time will increase.

Exekutor · Post by **Exekutor** » Fri, 22. Sep 06, 15:38

Ammok Rules wrote:well, it has been posted somewhere before cos i've been in the thread, but where??

This is my take on it.

Yeild of 25 give a cycle time of 90 seconds and a large silicon mine will give 5 silicone per cycle. Now your crystal fab has a cycle of eight minutes, so you need to produce enough silicone in eight minutes to keep it going. See this
480 divided by 90 is about five and 5 silicon each cycle is 25 silicon for every crystal cycle.

If a crysatal fab needs 10 silicon per cycle then one 25 yeild roid will feed two and a half crystal fabs. See this

Hope that makes sense, obviously higher yield roids will give more per cycle time and lower will produce less as in the cycle time will increase.

Thanks, that really helped. So basicly one yield 10 silicon mine L will produce enough silicon for one crystal fab M ... as easy as that?
A SPP XL needs 5 crystal fabs (?), so I would need 2 silicon mine L yield 25 (or yield 50 if you can just add it this way).

Ammok Rules · Post by **Ammok Rules** » Fri, 22. Sep 06, 15:49

more or less, but if you got a 64 roid

Spoiler

Show

there is one in Elanas Fortune

then you will produce more silicon, however i got a big complex going in Split Fire where I joined up all the roids, even the 6% ones which take about forty minutes to produce and it's been making a lot of money.

If you are doing silicon and crystal you really need to add cahoona and argnu then you ready for a free energy loop. If you want real accuracy, you need to get your hands on Merroc Complex Calculator. I've never used it, but then i didn't know it existed until i had built me humungus spaghetti complex and it was too late then for me.

szuur · Post by **szuur** » Fri, 22. Sep 06, 18:00

Ammok Rules wrote:Thats a nice complex plan szuur, you should pop over to the German forum and see how they stack their complexes of that size, really neat.

thx i haven't got that much spare time so i ain't behind it 24/7 but i am so far:
i can't understand a word german so i can't do much with that forum
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8352/x ... 173ri7.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7041/x ... 174wg8.jpg

2 weeks ago i was this far:
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9859 ... 166ih1.jpg
like i said its a long way pulling roids across entire sector's

coupel of pic's dope plex
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8255 ... 175ct5.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6831 ... 176jh0.jpg
and a pic of hatikva's faith <mini version of the one i am building now>
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8229 ... 177rk7.jpg

lil ontopic now: khaak hammer i hope u will have some idee's from these.
only constant thing i got: hub is as far away from the fac's and always got the north zone cleared +- 20km

Ammok Rules · Post by **Ammok Rules** » Fri, 22. Sep 06, 19:30

Really cool pics, i might try somethign like that as and when i find a tractor beam. So neat and tidy, you need to learn to speak German.

Why do build them in the north, is it becuase the hub always points north?

Diesel309 · Post by **Diesel309** » Fri, 22. Sep 06, 19:48

Why do build them in the north, is it becuase the hub always points north?

Its always a good idea to have some clear space North for this reason and to make the Hub lower than the rest of the complex. Because if you're in sector you want ships to dock and not commit suicide

I always find a clear space 20-30 Km up on the z axis and away from the other stations in sector so the map is less convoluted.