Russia-Ukraine War

[JSDD]

Kherson region asks to be part of Russia. Without declaring independence and holding a referendum.

i'm reading it in german news at the moment

south ossetia the same game, thery're waiting for signals from moskau ^^

a third of all jobs in ukraine are gone by now

US has just passed a bill for 40 billion in help for ukraine

hungary doesnt want to be part of oil embargo

russia states the US funds proxy war against russia

russia advances in donbas region

[Vertigo 7]

Nuking Ukraine now, would guarantee, that Russia would be ROTFL stomped 10-15 years in future, when everyone will be tired of their shit and the nuclear thread no longer a viable.
Not to mention that by then, West will have like 100k drones of various kind and sizes, so it would probably barely take any casualties on Allies side.

what do you want with drones ?!
drones are an easy target for any air defence system, even for those sh*tty ones like the german "gepard" (you just need powerful radar)

and what the heck do drones have to do with nukes ??
a nuke in a hypersonic missile is something you cant really defend yourself against

powerful radar? What makes a radar system powerful? Is it the spinny bits? The size of the dish? The wave guide? Is it a bistatic or monostatic? What frequency does it need to operate on? What kind of signal amplifier does it use?

good anti-air radar has been around for many many years. But, just like anything else, it's only as good as the people using it and drones ain't as easy to spot as you believe they are. Maybe if Russia's army was more competent, and maybe if they were looking for targets in a perfectly clear sky, they might have more success against drones Ukraine is constantly whipping their ass with.

[mr.WHO]

Kherson region asks to be part of Russia. Without declaring independence and holding a referendum.

mr.WHO
Vaunted Baraktars fall from the sky in large numbers

This doesn't change anything - Bayraktars fall from the sky, Turkey and US delivers more, while Russia bleed out soldiers and equipment.
Most of the drones are expendable by design

You could delude yourself, that Russia might eventually learn how to deal with them, but in the same time Ukraine and West takes notes and learn how to use them and improve them.
It's ethernal race between sword and shield...and russian sword gets dull with every day.

What are the odds that some Wowa from Syberia will outsmart entire Silicon valley and dozen of tech hubs all over the world?

[V2200]

Kherson region asks to be part of Russia. Without declaring independence and holding a referendum.

mr.WHO
Vaunted Baraktars fall from the sky in large numbers

This doesn't change anything - Bayraktars fall from the sky, Turkey and US delivers more, while Russia bleed out soldiers and equipment.
Most of the drones are expendable by design

You could delude yourself, that Russia might eventually learn how to deal with them, but in the same time Ukraine and West takes notes and learn how to use them and improve them.
It's ethernal race between sword and shield...and russian sword gets dull with every day.

What are the odds that some Wowa from Syberia will outsmart entire Silicon valley and dozen of tech hubs all over the world?

Bayraktar expendable? I wonder if buyers know about this?

[mr.WHO]

Bayraktar expendable? I wonder if buyers know about this?

Seems like Ukraine doesn't shy from using them in risky missions and there is a lot other fun stuff, like Switchbade and Warmate.

[Warenwolf]

Bayraktar expendable? I wonder if buyers know about this?

That is the point of drones... Point being, you don't lose the pilot and hence can take greater risks. Bayraktars were shot down in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict too. Did not help Armenians exactly.

But that is neither here or there because Ukraine has never had more than 20 operative drones at same time over entire front (which is not total number). And just the fact that you mention Bayraktar proves how much they punch over their weight.

[Warenwolf]

Kherson region asks to be part of Russia. Without declaring independence and holding a referendum.

i'm reading it in german news at the moment

So we can now formally go back to our discussion whether Russia is waging war in Ukraine in order to steal land and finally settle it?

[mr.WHO]

But that is neither here or there because Ukraine has never had more than 20 operative drones at same time over entire front (which is not total number). And just the fact that you mention Bayraktar proves how much they punch over their weight.

There might be, or might not, a steady supply of 10 Bayraktars per week.

Turkey neither confirm, nor deny

This might explain why Russians see them falling of the sky, but they just keep coming back

[JSDD]

What are the odds that some Wowa from Syberia will outsmart entire Silicon valley and dozen of tech hubs all over the world?

you dont need to outsmart them, you just have to shoot their stuff (1 missile is enough, and cheap)

meanwhile, inflation in turkey hits record-high 70% ... seems like 1 drone will cost 70% more next year ^^

[Warenwolf]

There might be, or might not, a steady supply of 10 Bayraktars per week.

Turkey neither confirm, nor deny

I don't deal with rumors.

[mr.WHO]

What are the odds that some Wowa from Syberia will outsmart entire Silicon valley and dozen of tech hubs all over the world?

you dont need to outsmart them, you just have to shoot their stuff (1 missile is enough, and cheap)

meanwhile, inflation in turkey hits record-high 70% ... seems like 1 drone will cost 70% more next year ^^

Inflation makes Turkey drone more attractive and premiere export good if paid with Dollars/Euro.

As for taking Bayraktars with 1 missile - that's good idea on paper, but I have sneaking suspicion that what Switchblades and Warmates are for.
This might explain so many Bayraktar footage taking out seemingly innactive Russian AAA and SAM sites.
In reality it might be Russian crew simply ran for their lifes as Switchblades/Warmates started exploding out of nowhere, before Bayraktar camera started rolling.

(you just need powerful radar)

BTW, you might want to check wiki about SEAD - that's how Saddam got ROTFL stomped like 40 year ago.
I wouldn't be suprised, if some loitering munition would have radar seeking warhead speficically for those situations.
Same with anti-drone jamming - great idea untill you realized you're huge active source of jamming emmision and that there are anti-jammer warheads as well.

[JSDD]

What are the odds that some Wowa from Syberia will outsmart entire Silicon valley and dozen of tech hubs all over the world?

you dont need to outsmart them, you just have to shoot their stuff (1 missile is enough, and cheap)

meanwhile, inflation in turkey hits record-high 70% ... seems like 1 drone will cost 70% more next year ^^

Inflation makes Turkey drone more attractive and premiere export good if paid with Dollars/Euro.

are you confusing inflation with devaluation ?!
inflation makes it more expensive, doesnt matter what currency you use to pay for it ...

[Warenwolf]

you dont need to outsmart them, you just have to shoot their stuff (1 missile is enough, and cheap)

meanwhile, inflation in turkey hits record-high 70% ... seems like 1 drone will cost 70% more next year ^^

Not really - contracts are typically signed in fixed currency (dollars or euro) when it comes to international trades. Also in large contracts over longer time you would typically have stipulation which value of that currency are you using (2022 USD dollars) or passage clarifying how to deal with inflation and such.

As to your 1 missile - 1 drone equation : No..... That is just wrong on so many levels.

[V2200]

Kherson region asks to be part of Russia. Without declaring independence and holding a referendum.

i'm reading it in german news at the moment

So we can now formally go back to our discussion whether Russia is waging war in Ukraine in order to steal land and finally settle it?

This is not included in the original plans of Russia.
Based on the fact that Ukraine did not want to resolve the issue of the LDPR peacefully, but chose the path of war, it does not need these territories. It was obvious that Russia would not allow the issue to be resolved by force (Georgia 2008 is a recent example). What Zelensky and Western backers hoped for is not entirely clear.

[Warenwolf]

This is not included in the original plans of Russia.
Based on the fact that Ukraine did not want to resolve the issue of the LDPR peacefully, but chose the path of war, it does not need these territories.

Same argument Hitler used for Poland...

[linolafett]

Based on the fact that Ukraine did not want to resolve the issue of the LDPR peacefully, but chose the path of war, it does not need these territories.

Ukraine was not the country which did invade another country.
Russia did invade a sovereign country, therefore Russia did start this war.

[JSDD]

(you just need powerful radar)

BTW, you might want to check wiki about SEAD - that's how Saddam got ROTFL stomped like 40 year ago.
I wouldn't be suprised, if some loitering munition would have radar seeking warhead speficically for those situations.
Same with anti-drone jamming - great idea untill you realized you're huge active source of jamming emmision and that there are anti-jammer warheads as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressi ... of_Ukraine

forget jamming, those S-400s and other SAM systems are good enough to filter them out
and jamming gets only effective if radiation intensity in very high ... so either you get very close to the SAM system or you need very high power consumption

the S-400 for example has a range up to 400km, forget jamming by aircraft, cause they just cant carry a mobile power plant with them, can they ?!
just a matter of physics: ... double the distance, and you get a quarter of the radiation intensity of you jamming device

i dont deny that you can use drones or aircraft entirely, but it gets very dangerous for them
and if you dont have much of them (drones), that video game gets over relatively quick

[mr.WHO]

This is not included in the original plans of Russia.
Based on the fact that Ukraine did not want to resolve the issue of the LDPR peacefully, but chose the path of war, it does not need these territories. It was obvious that Russia would not allow the issue to be resolved by force (Georgia 2008 is a recent example). What Zelensky and Western backers hoped for is not entirely clear.

Maybe it's time to realized, there was no plan and everything was driven by greed and stupidity of Putin?

Lets get back to the order of events.

No one cared about the situation in Donetsk, there were like 3 Minsk agreements and nobody cared for them, neither Ukraine, Russia or the West (I care to remind both France and Germany were involved with strongly pro-Russian stance).
Then even Biden spelled it to Putin in big letters (in case Putin, like we already confirmed, is r*tarded) - "Limited incursion into Ukraine will not trigger NATO reaction".
Then Putin signed off reckognition of Luhans and Donets regions.
Everyone was like "oh, great, another Donetsk curfufle".
But then we found out that aparently russian difinition of "limited" means 5-pronge full combine arms total warfare with main strike going for Ukraine capital that is totally on the opposite direction of the flashpoint.
Then Russia try the bio-labs and WMD story...doesn't stick.
Then Russia try denazification story...doesn't stick (also aparently russians are too dumb to spell it or even understand it).
The after two months, finally Russia is STARTING to focus on taking the regions it supposed to "protect".

Now care to explain to me how is it about protecting anybody, rather than failed attempt for conquest and subjugation of entire Nation?
Lets not forget Russia and Putin annouced multiple times they don't reckognize the existence of Ukraine as a state and as a nation - that oddly smell like a crawling genocide.


Now I will sell you an alternative plan, where you actually protect Donetks:
- attack only focused on South (out of Crimea) and East (to encircle Ukraine Donbas forces).
- probably attack and fail on Kharkiv, like in reality, coz it was suprise to everyone, still attack can act as an distraction (like in reality Russia pretended Kyiv attack was ) .
- since there is no Kiyv attack angle, nor Bucha, there is less dramatic media coverage.
- pretend this is "limited special" operation to protect Donbas and because it is actually limited, the story stick, Germany and France and West in general are hesitant what to do.
- encircle and destroy Ukraine Donbas forces - got story points about "demilitarization" both for internal and external diplomacy.
- push to take half Ukraine to Dnieper river.
- Ukraine resistance consolidate along Dnieper, West finally start to be proactive and send weapons and equipment.
- realizing I face uphill battle, rising guerilla warfare, with extended logistic lines, I blow up all bridges on Dnieper and annouce one-sided cease fire.
- since there is no imminent thread to the existence of (other) half of Ukraine, the situation is less desperate and less attractive for media.
- after a few months since bombs stop falling and neither side is capable of pushing through Dnieper, the West, or at least most of EU wanna get to business as usual (still in might take a few more years to normalize).
- I can try to go for Odessa and Transnistria 10 years later, ideally when West will be occupied with China/Taiwan.

Hey, I'm just the random guy on the internet, but aparently I'm less retarded Leader than Putin, most of Russian High-command and like 5 FSB departments COMBINED

Edit:
I forgot - since there is no Kyiv attack angle, I don't need to involve Lukashenko, so he won't leak the invasion plan 5-days before the actual invasion and then screw me over with not joining the party

[V2200]

According to the ex-deputy of Kiva, Zelensky instructed Poklad to develop an operation to eliminate the heads MCA of Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.

Based on the fact that Ukraine did not want to resolve the issue of the LDPR peacefully, but chose the path of war, it does not need these territories.

Ukraine was not the country which did invade another country.
Russia did invade a sovereign country, therefore Russia did start this war.

Yes, invaded on the 24th of February of this year. Before that were 8 years to solve the problem.

[fiksal]

Yes, invaded on the 24th of February of this year.

lets frame it. An actual admission of invasion and of the war.

This is not included in the original plans of Russia.
Based on the fact that Ukraine did not want to resolve the issue of the LDPR peacefully, but chose the path of war, it does not need these territories.

Same argument Hitler used for Poland...

I may need the refresher on Hitler's argument for Poland.

I vaguely recall Stalin's argument was - "saving Poland"